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24 November 2006

Turkish converts to Christianity stand trial for insulting 'Turkishness'

medium_0661132931_arrest.2.jpgISTANBUL, Turkey (AP) - Two Turkish men who converted to Christianity went on trial Thursday for allegedly insulting "Turkishness," and of inciting religious hatred against Islam

the Anatolia news agency reported.

The trial opened just days before a visit to Turkey by Roman Catholic Pope Benedict, during which the pontiff was expected to discuss improved religious rights for the country's tiny Christian minority who complain of discrimination.

Hakan Tastan, 37, and Turan Topal, 46, are accused of making the insults and of inciting hate while allegedly trying to convert other Turks to Christianity.

The men were charged under Turkey's notorious Article 301, which has been used to bring charges against dozens of intellectuals - including Nobel prize-winning author Orhan Pamuk.

The law has widely been condemned for severely limiting free expression and European officials have demanded that Turkey change the law as part of its bid to join the European Union.

Prosecutors accused the two of allegedly telling possible converts that Islam was "a primitive and fabricated" religion and that Turks would remain "barbarians" as long they remained Muslims, Anatolia reported.

The prosecutors also accused them of speaking out against the country's compulsory military service, and compiling databases on possible converts.

Tastan and Topal, who could face up to nine years in prison, denied the accusations in court.

"I am a Turk, I am a Turkish citizen. I don't accept the accusations of insulting 'Turkishness,' " Anatolia quoted Tastan as telling the court. "I am a Christian, that's true. I explain the Bible ... to people who want to learn. I am innocent."

"I am a Turk, I am a Turkish citizen, it is impossible for me to insult 'Turkishness,"' echoed Topal, according to Anatolia.

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Quran:2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?:....APOSTASY: " . . neither shall thine eye pity him (the apostate), neither shalt thou spare him, neither shalt thou conceal him: "But thou shalt SURELY KILL HIM: thine hand shall be first upon him TO PUT HIM TO DEATH . . .DEUTERONOMY 13:8 -9 (New International Version)

Posted by: FACT_CHECKER | 27 November 2006

Your are wrong

All five major schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that a sane male apostate MUST be executed. Do you know nothing of Islam?

Posted by: shamir | 28 November 2006

The question of the penalties imposed in Islam (i.e. in the Qur'an or under shariah law) for apostasy is a highly controversial topic that is passionately debated by various scholars. On this basis, according to most scholars, if a Muslim consciously and without coercion declares their rejection of Islam and does not change their mind after the time given to him/her by a judge for research, then the penalty for male apostates is the death penalty, or, for women, life imprisonment. However, this view has been rejected by an extremely small minority of modern Muslim scholars (eg Hasan al-Turabi),


Posted by: Prof. Xaviar Edwards | 28 November 2006

Article written by: Moiz Amjad
Country: Pakistan
Date: 1-Jul-2005


Punishment for Apostates


روي أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: من بدل دينه فاقتلوه.

It is narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said: [From among the Banu Ishmael,] whoever changes his religion, kill him1.


General Notes:


The Qur'an tells us that Muhammad (pbuh) was not only a Prophet (Nabi) but was also a Messenger (Rasu'l) of God. The Qur'an tells us that when God sends His messenger to a people, the polytheists among these people are not allowed to live on God's earth if they reject the messenger; It tells us that these people are given time in which to make up their minds and to present all their objections against the messenger (Rasu'l); It tells us that when the All-knowing God decides that these people have been given adequate time and that they are now absolutely clear about the truthfulness of the messenger and thus are not left with any excuse for their rejection, yet are still persistent in their rejection, then God directs His messenger to migrate from the area and then He destroys all those who have rejected His messenger. The Qur'an refers to the peoples of the messengers of old - Nuh, Hud, Lut, Sho`aib, Saaleh, Musaa (pbut) - and narrates the result of their rejection. It declares to the direct addressees of Muhammad (pbuh) that if they do not accept the message of God's messenger (Muhammad) their fate shall be no different from those nations that have gone before them (See Surah Al-Qamar, the whole Surah especially verse 43 - 45). In short, the Qur'an says that it is the unalterable law of God that when He sends His messenger to a people, the polytheists among these people are left with no option, but to accept His message or to face the punishment of death and sometimes complete annihilation.

The Qur'an goes further to tell us how this punishment was implemented on the polytheists from among the rejecters of the Prophet (pbuh). It tells us that although the previous nations of the messengers of God were annihilated, because of their rejection, through (apparently) natural calamities, the believers of Muhammad (pbuh), because God has given them rule in a land (Madinah), shall fight the rejecters and, thereby, through these believers shall God implement His punishment (Al-Tawbah 9: 14 - 16). It directs them that the Mushrikeen should be killed, without any exception. They should only be allowed to live if they accept Islam (Al-Tawbah 9: 5). On the other hand, it also directs them that the Jews and the Christians (because they were not polytheists - i.e. Mushrik), even if they do not enter the folds of Islam, they may be allowed to live if they accept to live under the Muslim rule and agree to pay the appointed Jizyah (Al-Tawbah 9: 29).

Thus, according to the Qur'an, as a result of the advent of the Messenger of God in the Banu Ishmael, those who rejected faith from amongst the polytheists were subject to the death penalty, under the provisions of the Divine Law relating to the advent of God's messengers. If any of these polytheists had accepted Islam at the hands of the Messenger and later decides to return to his previous beliefs, then he too should be grouped with those who had rejected the call of the messenger and, thus, also be subjected to the same punishment. If seen in this perspective, the narrative under consideration actually means that those people who were to be punished, according to the law of God, had they not accepted Islam, would face the same punishment, if at any time during their lives they leave the folds of Islam and return to their previous beliefs.

Notes on the Text of the Narrative
This narrative or a part of it with some variations has been reported in Bukhari (narrative no. 2854, 6524 and 6525), Muslim (narrative no. 1733), Mu'atta of Imam Malik (narrative no. 1413), Ibn Hibban (narrative no. 4475 and 5606), Abu Dawood (narrative no. 4351 and 4354), Tirmidhi (narrative no. 1458), Nissaiy (narrative no. 4059, 4060, 4061, 4062, 4063, 4064, 4065 and 4066), Ibn Maajah (narrative no. 2535), Nissaiy's Sunan al-Kubraa (narrative no. 3522, 3523, 3524, 3525, 3526, 3527, 3528 and 3529), Bayhaqiy (narrative no. 16597, 16598, 16599, 16635, 16636, 16637, 16654, 16658 and 17841), Ahmad ibn Hanbal (narrative no. 1871, 2551, 2552, 2968, 19681 and 22068), Abu Ya`laa (narrative no. 2532 and 2533), Humaidiy (narrative no. 533), Abd al-Razzaq (narrative no. 9413, 18705 and 18706), Ibn Abi Shaybah (narrative no. 28992, 29006, 32728, 33143 and 36491). The preferred text is reported in Bukhari's narrative no. 2854.

In some narratives, as in Ahmad ibn Hanbal's narrative no. 22068, the words "من بدل دينه" (i.e., 'whoever changes his religion') have been reported as "من رجع عن دينه" (i.e., 'whoever returns back to his previous religion, turning away from his present religion'); in some narratives, as in Mu'atta Imam Malik's narrative no. 1413, these words have been reported as "من غير دينه" (i.e., 'whoever changes his religion'); in Abd al-Razzaq's narrative no. 18706, these words have been replaced with "من بدل عن دينه" (i.e., 'whoever changes [his religion] turning away from his present religion').

In some narratives, as in Mu'atta Imam Malik's narrative no. 1413, the word "فاقتلوه" (i.e., 'kill him') have been replaced with a synonymous phrase "فاضربوا عنقه" (i.e., 'break his neck').

In some other narratives, as for instance in Bukhari's narrative no. 6525, the Prophet's directive under consideration is implied but its words have not been expressly cited.

(This write-up is prepared by the Hadith Cell of Javed Ahmad Ghamidi)



Posted by: Moiz Amjad | 28 November 2006

Deuteronomy 13:8-9 belongs to the OLD COVENANT (ie New Testament)
Christians are under the new which Jesus brought:

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance–now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Hbr 9:15 New International Version)


But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.( 1Cr 7:15 New International version )

"Whoever changes his religion shall be killed", Abu Dawud.
"Kill those who believe in many gods" Sura al-Tawba 9:5

"If a Muslim is found guilty of the crime of apostasy, either through words or through actions, he will be asked to repent during a three day period. If he has not repented within this time limit, he will be sentenced to death as an apostate and his property will be seized by the Revenue office. Every Muslim who refuses to pray will be asked to comply with the obligation to pray within the prescribed time limit. If he persists in his refusal, he will be punished by death." Article 306 of the Mauritanian Constitution


So we must be focus on real facts and truths. I must also point out that NOWHERE in the Christian world is Christians or Jews who live their faith killed but in ALL islamic lands apostates are punished and killed.

Hence no matter how much you misquote the Christian scriptures--the truth is obvious and occurs daily in the news. That is a fact!


Posted by: REAL FACT CHECKER | 28 November 2006

I never seen no Christian get killed for leaving his religion but I seen plenty of moslem kill other moslems for leaving their religion, both in real life and once in Egypt .

Posted by: Bob | 28 November 2006

Christians aren't killed for leaving their faith in Christian coutnries. But in muslim countries apostates who leave Islam are tried under shiria law and killed:

symposium between muslims and nonmuslims on it


Posted by: symposium | 28 November 2006

Qur’an:4:95 “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and

receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting

Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has

granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad

with their wealth AND BODIES to those who sit (at home). Unto each

has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard

and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his

fighters with a huge reward.”


I invite all muslims to come to
where true Islam is respected and followed.



Posted by: Shamir | 28 November 2006

oh allah its true I'm such a douchebag. I hope nobody on here is taking my rants seroiusly.

Posted by: Apostate Baptist | 28 November 2006

Stop this nonesense. If you are a true Christian come to the site below:


Posted by: Shamir | 28 November 2006

And Allah will enlighten your mind and you will come to the true faith. I invite you to Islam Apostate.

Posted by: Shamir | 28 November 2006

And Allah will enlighten your mind and you will come to the true faith. I invite you to islam

http://inshallahshaheed.wordpress.comou to Islam Apostate.

Posted by: Shamir | 28 November 2006

Qur’an:4:95 “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”

I invite all muslims to come to
where true Islam is respected and followed.
exchristian you are not a real muslim but a christian pretending to be one I invite you to Islam and we will be brothers. Come to the site

Posted by: shamir | 11/29/2006

Many of you seem to be very frightened and surprised by the fact that I openly preach Jihad for the sake of Allah, as it is ordained in our Religion. Keep in mind, I only preach that which is in the Qur’an and Sunnah; and those who tell you that preaching from these two sources is not necessary, do not listen to them; even if they call themselves Muslim since Allah says,

يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُوۤاْ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلاَ تَوَلَّوْا عَنْهُ وَأَنْتُمْ تَسْمَعُونَ
وَلاَ تَكُونُواْ كَالَّذِينَ قَالُوا سَمِعْنَا وَهُمْ لاَ يَسْمَعُونَ
إِنَّ شَرَّ ٱلدَّوَابِّ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ ٱلصُّمُّ ٱلْبُكْمُ ٱلَّذِينَ لاَ يَعْقِلُونَ
O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak). And be not like those who said, ‘We hear’, and they did not obey. For the worst of creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb; they are those who understand not. (al-Anfaal: 20-22)

Posted by: Shamir | 28 November 2006

If this disturbs you please come to the site and discuss


Posted by: Shamir | 28 November 2006

and please ask for samir (that is not me but the blessed scholar who runs the site) I am Shamir a humble servant only.


Posted by: Shamir | 28 November 2006

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Posted by: ADMIN | 28 November 2006

The Bible Orders Adultery!?!
"This said the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun." (II Samuel 12:11)
Here describes God, not only condoning adultery, but literally causes it to happen!
Note also, the strange assertion that God raises up evil, supposedly an act reserved for Satan.

Posted by: The Bible Orders Adultery!?! | 28 November 2006

In the bible we see commands about killing all non-virgin women, men and children, and keeping the virgins: "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 31:17)

Posted by: Bible says kill all nonvirgins | 28 November 2006

"And I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." (Revelations 5:6)

Biblical scholars agree that "a Lamb" refers to the crucified Christ. Strangely, Jesus here appears to look devilish with horns and multiple eyes.
How can this description of heaven inspire an image of a peaceful afterlife with all these ghastly beasts and spirits about? (See also Rev. 4)

Posted by: Christ With Horns | 28 November 2006


Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. (Romans 3:20)

Contradicted by:

For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Romans 2:13)

Posted by: Cointradictions in the Bible | 29 November 2006

Conflicts between Christians and non-Christians have at times resulted in the persecution by Christians of non-Christians. Christians have also persecuted each other when conflicts arose between different Christian denominations. Such persecutions have extended to a wide variety of religious and social minorities within predominantly Christian countries.

Such persecution has included unwarranted arrest, war, inquisition, imprisonment, beating, rape, torture, execution or ethnic cleansing. It also may refer to the confiscation or destruction of property, or incitement to hate non-Christians. In some cases such persecution has been visited upon those who consider themselves Christian, but are regarded as non-Christians by members of the dominant Christian denomination, such as Catholic Christians in majority Protestant areas, vice versa, and so forth.

Posted by: Historical persecution by Christians | 29 November 2006

Persecution of Huguenots by Catholics

The slaughter of Huguenots (French Protestants) by Catholics at Sens, Burgundy, in 1562 occurred at the beginning of more than thirty years of religious strife between French Protestants and Catholics. These wars produced numerous atrocities. The worst was the notorious St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre in Paris on August 24, 1572. Thousands of Huguenots were butchered by Roman Catholic mobs. Although an accommodation between the two sides was sealed in 1598 by the Edict of Nantes, religious privileges of Huguenots eroded during the seventeenth century and were extinguished in 1685 by the revocation of the edict. Perhaps as many as 400,000 French Protestants emigrated to various parts of the world, including the British North American colonies.

Posted by: Christians for truth | 29 November 2006

The war in Bosnia and Herzegovina was an armed conflict that took place between Christians and innocent Muslims, March 1992 and November 1995. The war involved several ethnically defined factions within Bosnia and Herzegovina: Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats as well as a smaller faction in Western Bosnia led by Fikret Abdić. These factions changed their objectives and allegiances several times at various stages of the war

Since the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina was a consequence of events in the wider region of former Yugoslavia, and due to the involvement of neighboring countries Croatia and Yugoslavia, there is an ongoing debate about whether the conflict was a civil war or a war of aggression. Most Bosniaks and many Croats claim that the war was a war of aggression from Serbia, while Serbs tend to consider it a civil war. The involvement of NATO, during the 1995 Operation Deliberate Force against the positions of the Army of Republika Srpska made the war an internationalized conflict.

A trial is ongoing before the International Court of Justice, following a suit by Bosnia and Herzegovina against Serbia for genocide (see Bosnian genocide case at the International Court of Justice) intended to shed more light on the character of the war.

The war was brought to an end after the signing of the General Framework Agreement for Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina in Paris on 14 December 1995 [1]. The peace negotiations were held in Dayton, Ohio, and were finalized on 21 December 1995. The accords are known as the Dayton Agreement.

The most recent research places the number of MUSLIM victims at around 100,000–110,000 killed (civilians and military), and 1.8 million

Posted by: Modern Western persecution of Muslims | 29 November 2006

Sociologist and cultural analysts argue that, during the 1990s, there was a shift in forms of prejudice from race-based prejudice to discrimination based on culture and religion.[17][10]

Jeremy Seabrook writes in The Guardian that Islamophobia became the only form of prejudice to which the middle class will admit. "Officially, all right-thinking people have forsworn racism ... Islamophobia is the half-open door through which it makes its triumphal re-entry into respectable society." Seabrook argues that the perception of Islam as advocating the repression of women and gays makes Islamophobia an acceptable form of prejudice.[17]

Speaking to the UNCHR, Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu, secretary general of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, said that Islamophobia was "a new name to an old phenomenon", and that "stereotypes and disrespectful comments about Islam were allowed to circulate and be published with the outcome that hatred and prejudice against Islam gained credibility, and the stereotyping in media coverage became a global sport."[18]

Anya Rudiger of the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia told an Oxford conference on Muslims in Europe that, since 9/11, religion has surpassed race as the primary focus of conflict, and that a person's religion is regarded as synonymous with their culture. In the case of Muslims, this opens up another dimension of prejudice, argues Rudiger, in that European Muslims are regarded as representing a unified culture quite different from European culture, one that is strongly linked to certain non-European countries. These perceptions are part of the process of labeling Islam as Europe's "other."[10]

In 1996, the Runnymede Trust, an independent anti-racist think tank in the UK, established the Commission on British Muslims and Islamophobia, chaired by Professor Gordon Conway, the vice-chancellor of the University of Sussex. The commission's 1997 report, Islamophobia: A Challenge For Us All, lists eight distinctive features of Islamophobia:

Islam is seen as a monolithic bloc, static and unresponsive to change.
It is seen as separate and “other”. It does not have values in common with other cultures, is not affected by them and does not influence them.
It is seen as inferior to the West. It is seen as barbaric, irrational, primitive, and sexist.
It is seen as violent, aggressive, threatening, supportive of terrorism, and engaged in a Clash of Civilizations.
It is seen as a political ideology, used for political or military advantage.
Criticisms made of 'the West' by Islam are rejected out of hand.
Hostility towards Islam is used to justify discriminatory practices towards Muslims and exclusion of Muslims from mainstream society.
Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal.[19]

The commission published a follow-up report in 2004 suggesting that young British Muslims felt they did not belong in Britain, and that they were vulnerable to social exclusion and violence. Dr Abduljalil Sajid, an imam and adviser to the commission, said he believed that Islamophobia had become institutionalized, citing what he regarded as police harassment of Muslims since 9/11. "Even one of the country's Muslim peers, Lord Ahmed, has been stopped twice by police," Sajid told the BBC.[7]

Posted by: Islamophobia & prejudice | 29 November 2006

I as a Christian, have a question about Jesus, His twelve disciples who understood Jesus's mission and purpose more then anyone, why would they abandon Jesus when the soldiers came to put him on the cross ?

Posted by: Mary Needstrum | 29 November 2006

ADMIN ooops I made a mistake our sister sites are islamic hahah I am such a muslim sympathizer! hahaha oh well you caught me!

Posted by: ADMIN | 29 November 2006

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