04 December 2006
Muslim's Way to Refute the Facts
Whenever you criticize anything related to Islam, Allah, Muhammad, Sharia laws or muslim community, you will find
a refutation immediately. To refute something is OK but the way muslims refute is funny. Here are some most common ways of a muslim-refute, the order may change depending upon your and muslim’s caliber:
1. First of all, muslims will say, “This is false information”, “This is a lie”.
Whatever you say is wrong and whatever they say is only right.
2. Next step is Taqqiya. i.e. “Islam means peace”, “Islam was not spread by sword but love”, “No compulsion in religion”,
3. If you quote from Koran or hadith, you will be accused of quoting verses in bits and pieces.
4. And be prepared for accusation that the verses you quoted are twisted and out of context.
5. If you provide reference to your quote, then muslims will say “All your references are false and lies”, which implies only their references are true and correct.
6. You will be advised to “Read the koran first and you will see the light”
7. If you say you have already read it then they will doubt you as if you are a liar.
8. If you quote full verses (not bits & pieces) from koran and hadith, your translation is incorrect / misleading. Then you will be advised to learn Arabic and read original version.
9. If you say, I read the same Koran with most authentic translations, which muslims are referring to, then you will be asked “Did you read only the cover?”, “Read it with open mind” (Read with closed mind, like a muslim reads by keeping thier brains aside)
10. Besides your reading of translated Koran or even though you know arabic, if you quote Koran, they quote hadith, tafseer etc, if you quote hadith, then they will say "Only Koran is authentic".
11. After all this, you are still willing to continue, they will distract you and other readers from original issue/topic and feed plenty of irrelevant issues.
12. You are still sticking to the original issue, Muslims will refer your / other religions’ scriptures like Bible, Torah, Vedas, Geeta etc and other events and personnels like Bush, Blair, Indira Gandhi, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine etc.
13. Be prepared for one or more muslims to showing their way of convincing, such as Copy & paste stuff or reference from crap Islamic sites. This includes verses from Koran & hadith, twisted facts from non islamic holy scriptures like mohammad is prophesized in all of them.
14. In this connection, one or more muslims will write about Miracles in the Koran. Remember that whatever is discovered in recent time, Muslims will attribute it to Koran, but they will keep quite till it is discovered. They will never say about the fallacies in Koran like “Sky is a dome on imaginary pillars”, “Sun sets in mud”, “sun revolving around the earth” etc. If you draw their attention to these fallacies, they will copy and paste crap again which is totally illogical and irrational. You will be again advised to read Koran.
15. You are about to loose your patience but still continuing, then comes personal attack. You will be abused as fool, stupid, idiot, pig, dog etc
16. If that does not work, then there will be accusation of taking money for your criticism of islam. You may get this also “Western media is biased, its propaganda to defame islam, Islam is wronged by all non muslims” etc.
17. Even than if you are not stopping, then muslims will run for your mother and sister.
18. You are stubborn and still want to continue, you will be cursed like “Burn in hell, you will repent on last day, still time to seek the truth” etc
19. Towards the end, when all above ways are failed, you will be threatened directly like, “beware, watch it, keep cool, my sincere advice” or indirectly like “Give me your email id, don’t hide behind false name, you are a coward (since you have false id on net), and lastly invitation to go to debate one to one or visit mosques or Islamic centers like Islamic Research Foundation in person” etc.
20. And finally- its drum beating, for all Muslioms, as if they won a debate, even when they lose miserably, because Koran is the word of allah.
Since Koran is allah’s word and is clear to understand and is for all man kind, for all time and for all places, why there are hadiths, tafseers and commentaries?
Why various sects of islam and clerics are understanding it differently,
While Koran is very clear and for all to understand?
Why some verses are for a particular time i.e. 1400 years ago and Arabic peninsula only, while Koran is for all time, for all places and for all mankind?
Why there is Abrogation, later verses of the Koran supersede earlier ones? Was allah not able to reveal it at first time or did he change his mind time to time to suite muhammad’s needs?
Why islam, being the only true religion, not able to be in majority, leave alone only religion, on the face of this earth, even after more than 1400 years past when revealed to muhammad?
There are many more questions but I will leave them for next time.
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Ali Sina of faithfreedom.org on the run!! ... online debate, in which Ali Sina was publicly humiliated and exposed as a atrocious liar, he has refused to post the .. www.examinethetruth.com/sina_on_the_run.htm
Posted by: Exchristian | 04 December 2006
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 did Jesus fall on his face and pray to his GOD?
Posted by: Aimee Porter | 04 December 2006
R.K. Deshpande, president of Kalyan Ashram in Madhya Pradesh, India, submitted this news report translated from the Hindi newspaper Jansatta to Hinduism Today last month, as part of a campaign by the ashram to document and publicize the unethical conversion tactics practiced by many Christian missionaries.
In early 1982, Father Joseph Parekatil of the Catholic Church of Parasahi, Madhya Pradesh, destroyed the sacred murthi of the Goddess Visweshwari Siddheswari enshrined on the nearby Nawain Tekdi hill. After also burning a Forest Department tree plantation on the same hill, he erected a small wooden cross. His stated intention to gain possession of the sacred hill (presently government land) caused considerable consternation among the village's residents.
Famine conditions in the area diverted the villagers' attention and provided Father Parekatil an opportunity to carry out a scheme to get even a larger cross on the hill. He initiated a campaign demanding that wheat and gram be sent into the area. The request petitions were deceptively arranged with two forms. The signature on the first form requested food. The signature on the second, hidden form supported a plea to put a large cross on the hill.
A rumor was then started by an unknown person that permission to put up the cross had been granted. Seeing no reaction to the rumor, the father erected a 31 - foot high concrete cross on the hill on February 18th, 1983. Enraged villagers destroyed the cross a month later on March 17th. The situation remained peaceful and unchanged for two years, though the Goddess was not restored to the hill.
On February 20th, 1985, with the intent once again of trying to gain possession of the hill, Father Parekatil put on the orange robes of a Hindu sannyasin, built a hut on the hill, sat on a tiger skin and began performing worship in the Hindu style. A leaflet was distributed that claimed whoever came to the father's worship would have all their desires fulfilled. As a result, thousands of simple Hindus came to the hill on Fridays, unaware of the deception they were witnessing. On May 18th, Subdivisional Officer Jagir of the Forest Department registered a complaint at Akaltara Police Station and served eviction papers on the father, but to no avail.
Again there was agitation in the area, and this time, on October 1st, 1985, the villagers tore down the priest's hut and tossed away the remaining pieces of the concrete cross. Father Parekatil only gave up when he was arrested a week later for breaking the peace and released on bail with instructions to behave.
Father Parekatil told the press that he had no intention of taking illegal possession of hill.
The Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh, Shri Motilal Vora, confirmed to M.L.A. Shri Munshilal that a complaint had been received about the illegal placement of the cross and a case registered of trespass on government land.
In his quest to "Christianize" the village of Parasahi, Father Parekatil: 1) destroyed a Hindu shrine; 2) burnt a government plantation; 3) illegally placed a cross on government land; 4) took advantage of famine relief to further his own aim; 5) illegally placed a second cross on the hill; 6) illegally moved onto government land; 7) deceptively disguised himself as a Hindu holy man; and 8) deceptively began worship in a Hindu manner. The only unusual aspect of this case is that the newspaper reports gave full attention to names, dates, places.
http://faithfreedom.com/ali_sina_exposed.html
Posted by: Missionary's Dirty Tricks | 04 December 2006
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